Zeitgeist Movement - RBE Transition Plan - B.A.M Systems Approach
The Zeitgeist Movement - B.A.M systems approach to the transition into a Resource Based Economy P.S. keep your pants on. This video is intended as a joke. If you´re a ZTM member and you´re not laughing then maybe you just didn´t get it and you should be educated to the concept of having a sense of humorCategory: Comedy
Author: bubblefree772
Published (on YouTube): 2011-02-10
Published (here): 2012-05-28
Rating: 2.3333333; Votes:18
Views: 382; Favorites: 0
Video duration: 2 min.
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bubblefree772 on 2011-02-25
@AgeOfScience And ...
@AgeOfScience And the "thumbs up" comment was not intended as a response rebuttal of any kind. As I merely stated, I was trying to explain to you, that in a strange and compulsive way, yet at the same time strong and impetuous my growing and unequivocal love for you. In a time where human contact and emotions are so often neglected I am sure you approve of such universally accepted positive feeling emanating towards you from a fellow human being ... yes? :)
bubblefree772 on 2011-02-25
@AgeOfScience Right ...
@AgeOfScience Right now, all technology that actually solves scarcity is in the power of mostly privates and governments. TZM has Squadoosh in this, yet it shows a Project based on technology, materials, and knowledge you don't have and are unwilling or unable to demonstrate through the scientific method. That is the reason my videos have this"tone".TZM at this moment is a somewhat tragic joke and I will treat it as such.(Plus the Technocratic central transition government gives me the creeps)
bubblefree772 on 2011-02-25
@AgeOfScience ...
@AgeOfScience Agreed in most of the subject of behavior. Mostly conditioned, not all though. There are innate needs as pointed by Maslow, felt by every human being that condition behavior.(and "human behavior" is far from being explained) yet, you point the reason being:"scarcity" and that is not really proved. Secondly, even considering that it's true, you don't show how TZM gets rid of scarcity. "Technology WILL solve this issue". Show me your technology that solves all scarcity!
bubblefree772 on 2011-02-25
Actually, you are ...
Actually, you are the one demonstrating lack of knowledge in this issue. In science, there is no significant difference between "supported" and "demonstrated". The scientific method REQUIRES experimentation. It's not a choice. Hundreds of patents? Show me where! From what I've seen, he´s got a few inventions like a smoker pipe rack, an instrument rack, a tool holder and that's pretty much it,"goggle patents". There is NO money in feeding hungry people??? Are you for real? :)
AgeOfScience on 2011-02-25
..a few dvds and 3D ...
..a few dvds and 3D models.
AgeOfScience on 2011-02-25
...empirically, ...
...empirically, that suffering has always been associated with scarcity of one form or another. Read Jared Diamond's Gun, Germs, and Steel for in depth anthropological understanding of how certain groups of humans came to dominate others. TZM's assertion that our environment produces both the aberrated behavior and the abject poverty we see today is fully supported by science. I could go on but I think this is ample to show that there is a little more going on here than...
AgeOfScience on 2011-02-25
...you get a change ...
...you get a change in behavior, for examples read any number of books on ferrel children. Next, many new studies, such as the ones described in Dan Pink's work show that monetary reward for abstract and conceptual (right brain) problem solving does not work, while Gabor Mate and Robert Sapolsky have both done work showing the correlation between environment and behavior. Also, a study of human history reveals, ...
AgeOfScience on 2011-02-25
...giver of morals. ...
...giver of morals. This is patently false as Sam Harris illustrates in his book, The Moral Landscape. Rather, morals are evolved behaviors, specifically ones that object to suffering and support continuity. In fact even our primate cousins demonstrate reciprocal altruism. Let me draw your attention to the inescapable implication here. Our behavior is an evolved characteristic based largely on our environment. See where this is going? Change the environment,...
AgeOfScience on 2011-02-25
...The Greatest ...
...The Greatest Show On Earth and Jerry A. Coyne's Why Evolution Is True, and, of course, Darwin's Origin Of Species. Next, as scientific knowledge has advance, conversely has the domain of religion and superstition receded. Cosmology, along with logic, and biology has given a scientific basis to reject mythological creation accounts in favor of empirical evidence. In short, there is no god. Why is this important? It has been commonly held that religion, true or false, is the...
AgeOfScience on 2011-02-25
.. Natural ...
.. Natural selection is, basically, when nature selects traits that are favorable for the ability to successfully produce offspring. What is nature? Nature is the natural world, in other words, the environment. The environment is tantamount to the primary force in driving evolution. All species are, therefore, products largely of their environment. If you need a more thorough refresher I recommend Richard Dawkins' ...
AgeOfScience on 2011-02-25
Again you have ...
Again you have demonstrated your ignorance by drastically over simplifying. First, I said TZM was supported, not demonstrated, by science, a subtle but important differentiation. What follow is a brief synopsis of the science that supports TZM. Biological Darwinian evolution is a scientific fact. All life forms, past and present, on planet earth, share a common ancestor. Natural selection is the primary, but not exclusive, force in driving evolution. What is natural selection?...
AgeOfScience on 2011-02-25
Your sarcasm was ...
Your sarcasm was fully appreciated, I assure you. I just dont share your view that sarcasm is a license to misrepresent facts. Nevertheless, your statement may be truer than you know, and with pissing people off and making others laugh being such lofty and admirable goals in life, you ought to be quite proud. As for the thumbs up; really? Thats your defense? Thats the best you could do to refute anything I said? Even if it were true, what difference would it make to my point?
AgeOfScience on 2011-02-25
...TZM ever claimed ...
...TZM ever claimed to have? And no, we don't claim to be scientists, except, of course, for those of us who really are scientists, but I don't think you can hold that against them. I, for one, am not a scientist, nor have I ever claimed to be. I am, however, scientifically literate. Please stop making stawmen? Dont get me wrong, I really enjoy refuting you, you make it pretty easy, its just that Id like to hear what you really think of TZM.
AgeOfScience on 2011-02-25
Oh my, where to ...
Oh my, where to start. Jacque Fresco has hundreds of patents. He has been trying to sell his inventions for decades, unfortunately there is no money in feeding hungry people. Cant really blame him for having no market can you? Since when does being supported by scientific evidence mean that you need to have patented technology anyway? I did not find that tidbit on wiki's scientific method page. And while we are on the subject, exactly what technology has...
bubblefree772 on 2011-02-24
@AgeOfScience Also, ...
@AgeOfScience Also, if indeed TZM relied on the scientific method, you would have , I don't know, patent some of the technology you say you have? Like hydroponic towers and start feeding 3rd world countries, WHILE making a profit that would allow you to DO something scientific, like training members in robotics, automation, agriculture, cybernetics, build cities, a freaking maglev monorail! Yay! Something! But no, you keep talking to "amass" more talkers...claiming to be scientists! :)
bubblefree772 on 2011-02-24
Demonstrated by ...
Demonstrated by science? Just because you say science, it doesn't mean you have it or use the scientific method. (Wiki scientific method steps). Right now all you have a couple of movies backed up by some conspiracy theories and some old guy´s 3d Models that for decades no-one cared about. And then B.A.M! 2007 Crisis, and suddenly the MTV generation woke up to politics! Nice! :)
bubblefree772 on 2011-02-24
Actually the whole ...
Actually the whole phrase was :"Some call me a dreamer, others a visionary, when in fact all I do is piss of some people and make others laugh".It was kind of a sarcastic comment reverted back towards the TZM, but I guess that flew right past you, hence, you´re back! :) Yay! I had this almost uncontrollable urge to just delete these past 8 comments, (that you just posted and immediately self thumbs up (nice touch! Self Five! :) But that would be rude! 3 words: I Love You!
AgeOfScience on 2011-02-24
...that reason, it ...
...that reason, it is likely that it will only be a matter of time before we have the support that we need. We have no illusions about how long it may take to reach critical mass, or of the challenges we face in the transition. We work toward this goal knowing full well, that we may never live to see it fully realized. It is that ability to see past our own lifetimes that underscores...
AgeOfScience on 2011-02-24
...I'll relay it to ...
...I'll relay it to you. As time goes on we amass more members. Got it? There is no scientific hard limit to the number of members that can join us. And yes, we certainly do wish that people will continue to join and support us, but consider that a vast majority of the human population now recognizes that the earth revolves around the sun because its demonstrable with evidence, though we would not accuse Copernicus of wishful thinking. TZM is supported by science, and for...
AgeOfScience on 2011-02-24
...all resources ...
...all resources will be the common heritage of all people. If the resources are not held common, then we will not have a RBE. I say 'If' because we do not have absolute certainty that a RBE will ever be implemented, though we can be reasonably sure so long as awareness continues to be spread. Second, the critical mass concept is not a transition plan. Its an awareness spreading strategy. The idea is simple, but nevertheless...
AgeOfScience on 2011-02-24
First, all ...
First, all resources becoming common heritage is a central concept of the RBE. If a RBE is ever realized, the way in which it is realized will be of no consequence to the implementation of this concept. Yes, the transition is inherently unpredictable and that is precisely why we do nat have transition plan, but that has no bearing whatsoever on what a RBE or is or what its central concepts are. There is no need to appeal to magic. I want to be clear here, If a RBE happens then...
AgeOfScience on 2011-02-24
.. And no, the lack ...
.. And no, the lack of a plan is not a plan any more than the lack of a belief is a belief, or than not collecting stamps is a hobby. If its all the same to you I'll continue to make appeals to logic, reason, and intellectual honesty. On that note, I am grateful to you for pleading that I abandon critical thinking, because I can see as well as you can, that your points are virtually untouchable if one were to do so. Thats kind of my point.
AgeOfScience on 2011-02-24
No, I was not ...
No, I was not asking for clarification about any semantics regarding the word 'plan'. I was merely pointing out that your video asserts that we have a transition plan, contrary to the fact that we don't, and then I went on to demonstrate the logical inconsistency of your argument, and that by describing a transition plan that you claim to know we dont you have misrepresented what you claim to be criticizing and undermined your own purpose. ...
bubblefree772 on 2011-02-23
You are asking for ...
You are asking for clarification because when I imply that the lack of a plan is the plan, implies that there is a plan, which contradicts the first statement... there is no plan. Seriously? A semantics discussion about the word plan? That´s your plan? :) Can´t we just agree that the lack of a plan IS the plan. (without making it a plan per se?) . And please lay down the "fallacy guide notebook", drop "strawman", and write like normal people? (Oh no! Could this be an Ad hominem? )
bubblefree772 on 2011-02-23
"All resources WILL ...
"All resources WILL become common heritage": Ok, without a plan and the unpredictability of the "natural collapse" of the system, how exactly did you reach this statement? It sounds to me like a classic "Appeal to Magic" fallacy (I hope we use the same guide) . Critical mass: "we WILL be a majority of the population" , based on what facts can you state that the majority of the WORLD population will be Zeit people? Sound like a good old "Appeal through wishful thinking" fallacy. 2