Jacque Fresco on Larry King Live Full
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BeYouAndSmile on 2012-04-12
where would the ...
where would the goods to satisfy needs come from??? Even if it was possible to change incentives you need to change people. Good luck with that. You assume unrealistic things. At least at this level of technological development. Now let's assume it was possible. If all the needs are provided for, the number of people still working for that additional level of success would be minuscule. You'd just end up with bunch of lazy dumbasses with little to no motivation to do shit in their lives.
ohforfsakeletmein on 2012-04-11
You're thinking ...
You're thinking abuot a TVP society from today's perspective and indeed it looks unrealistic. Today your incentive for working hard is to either get more stuff you need or think you need or to beat the other guy in a race to "success" so you could show off. And that's why I'm saying incentives have to change. In a RBE society all your needs come as a default from the system, not as a result of your work. So your incentive to work is automatically something other than materialistic gain.
ohforfsakeletmein on 2012-04-11
I'm not expert at ...
I'm not expert at this but it would be something along the lines of "people get sick and hurt, if you become a doctor you could help them". Give them a good reason to become a doctor, basically, instead of bribing them with rewards or creating some ego competition within the classroom.
ohforfsakeletmein on 2012-04-11
They were brought ...
They were brought up to think they need to work to get some unrelated reward. Take your classroom example. If you teach the students that they need to study hard because they need higher grades + their parents say something like "if you get all A+s we'll buy you that car you always wanted" then of course they will lose the incentive to study if you tell them everyone gets the same grade no matter what. What you have to do is teach good reasoning for why they should study.
ohforfsakeletmein on 2012-04-11
I understand what ...
I understand what you're saying. What you misunderstand is what I pointed out earlier, this system won't work with the values people have today, I'm not arguing against that. Today people think they need the luxury car. What TVP does is assumes you only need a car to get from 1 place to another, so instead it builds a public transportation system that can get you from 1 place to another the most efficiently. It makes perfect sense if you look at it objectively, but most people today won't get it
BeYouAndSmile on 2012-04-11
There was a n ...
There was a n awesome example I've seen in one very biased documentary. Although documentary wasn't great the example was spot on. Consider a class of students. Tell then that everyone in the class will get the average class grade. After couple of exams: Best student won't study as hard because their grades now are worse and their grade improvement/time spent studying payoff is now miniscule.Students who do poorly will study even less than they used to because they'd rather piggyback good studen
BeYouAndSmile on 2012-04-11
less and cooperate ...
less and cooperate less. P.S. my parents paid for my living because I'm their son and they love me and I seriously doubt they'd be working nearly as hard to help the humanity. I doubt anybody would. I doubt that Doctors would be studying for 12 years, undergo extreme stress just to go back to their homes that are identical to someone who does nothing but watches TV all day long. Such kind of unfairness towards productive members of a society is what the problem with a planned economy is.
BeYouAndSmile on 2012-04-11
are you going to ...
are you going to force unmotivated people to work just because you believe their standards should be higher? Or are you gonna forbid people from working hard in order to pursue their dreams? Or are you going to take away the results of their hard work? You seem to fail to understand a simple thing. What he's proposing is nothing but the same old planned economy system. Would you disagree with me on that? Planned economy is flawed because on general in motivate everybody to work less, innovate
BeYouAndSmile on 2012-04-11
you'll see that no ...
you'll see that no computer is nowhere as effective as free market. The baseline is: some people are lazy and don't want to work and are fine with living in a shitty apartment as long as they have their xbox a piece of pizza and some beer. I personally know such people. They work minimum amount of time they can get a way with and are content with their lifestyles. On the other hand you have people who are very success oriented and will work till they get that luxury car they always wanted.
BeYouAndSmile on 2012-04-11
people are ...
people are different. Economically speaking they have different utility functions for all kinds of stuff. As I said, somebody might want to work extra hours to buy that luxury car while some other person will choose to spend that time with their family. Who am I to tell them whether they can or can't do that? Under planned economy, you're assuming that people will work some fixed amount of time on jobs determined by a computer for some specified standard of living. After studying economics
ohforfsakeletmein on 2012-04-09
I get the ...
I get the distinction of motivations but I don't get your point. Both types would be acceptable in TVP society.
ohforfsakeletmein on 2012-04-09
your statement " ...
your statement "nobody will work to better society's future" - evidently wrong, that's what Fresco has been doing for most of his life, there have been many famous people who did that and lots more less famous who did it on a smaller scale. Even your parents probably worked their asses off to give you food and shelter and raise you not expecting you to pay it back. Every socialist society hasn't addressed the key issues that make it fail, while TVP does and deals with them.
MisterWite1 on 2012-04-09
This video needs a ...
This video needs a billion views.
BeYouAndSmile on 2012-04-07
and you missed my ...
and you missed my point. Nobody will bust their asses in a demanding job to better society's future. Every socialist society tried to preach it and failed. Reason is simple. Google Intrinsic vs extrinsic motivation. Enjoyment from art and doing because you enjoy it is intrinsic, money is extrinsic so motivation isn't as intense as in enjoyment, but a bright society of the future is so extrinsic, that its not even funny.
ohforfsakeletmein on 2012-04-06
You missed my point ...
You missed my point, the incentives have to change. You were brought up in a society were money is the incentive for you. If your parents were to teach you from a young age that working towards a better future for all should be your incentive, you'd have that incentive to work today. We're victims of our culture. There are also plenty of people who would, for example, paint paintings, compose music or invent things just because they enjoy doing it, not because they expect money for it.
BeYouAndSmile on 2012-04-06
you're ...
you're concentrating on details while refusing to argue my main point. Where are you going to get resources from? Who is going to get them? Without any incentives, who will ever want to work?
ohforfsakeletmein on 2012-04-06
It's uploaded on ...
It's uploaded on youtube just search for it. And no they're not "pissing on everything he said". The society he talks about and the society today are 2 completely different things. I assume they made a deal with some film maker, some profits go to him, while they get more publicity, therefore more awareness. His own share he can use on new projects (they're working on some major motion picture right now) and traveling around giving lectures.
ohforfsakeletmein on 2012-04-06
It's uploaded on ...
It's uploaded on youtube just search for it. And no they're not "pissing on everything he said". The society he talks about and the society today are 2 completely different things. I assume they made a deal with some film maker, some profits go to him, while they get more publicity, therefore more awareness. His own share he can use on new projects (they're working on some major motion picture right now) and traveling around giving lectures.
ohforfsakeletmein on 2012-04-06
His designs are the ...
His designs are the way you see them for very specific reasons. I don't know all of them but regarding houses, by his design they could sustain earthquakes, absorb sunlight and provide energy and heat to the house without wires, quickly manufactured and built automatically by machines etc etc. USSR had many flaws and did not address many issues. They had money and government, therefore corruption. They did not have abundance, therefore poverty and crime. Saying TVP is the same is silly.
ohforfsakeletmein on 2012-04-06
There wouldn't be ...
There wouldn't be rich and poor because there would be no money. If you missed this, I don't think you've listened to Fresco much at all and I suggest that you do. The key regarding "incentive" is our values have to change one way or the other. This will either slowly happen by spreading awareness, happen fast after this society collapses completely or it won't happen at all in which case we're probably screwed. Who knows.
ohforfsakeletmein on 2012-04-06
1st question) ...
1st question) Define "success". Is it owning a castle, 20 sportscars and a private jet? Is it having a billlion $ in your bank account? Is it becoming the leader of a country? Or is it working as a doctor and curing people, saving lives in your career? Working for charity to help the disabled? What about developing a new food crop and saving millions from starvation? Do you see what I'm getting at? Our values are fucked up. Reducing misery, helping others should in itself be the incentive.
BeYouAndSmile on 2012-04-05
I believe, bashing ...
I believe, bashing the design of houses and etc is just silly. I'm not criticizing his specific so called inventions. What I'm criticizing, is the whole idea of a planned economy. Just because you stamp a computer distributed doesn't make it work because of inherent flaw in it. Lack of incentive.My parents lived in USSR. I was lucky to be born soon after it fell apart. USSR had both rich and poor. It's just the poor and the rich were poorer in socialist USSR than in a more-or-less capitalist USA
BeYouAndSmile on 2012-04-05
and question 2? How ...
and question 2? How does a society where there is no incentive for development because all your basic needs are provided differ from a farm?
BeYouAndSmile on 2012-04-05
what is relatively. ...
what is relatively. Again, you'll need quite a lot more labor than you seemingly expect. Also, the question remains the same. In highly-specialized society, what are the incentives to succeed? To develop? To get educated? There are still going to be rich and the poor. Those who work and those who don't. Those who are born fortunate and those who were born disadvantaged. The 1st question. Why people who are hard working and successful should be forced to subsidize others against their will?