TZM Global Radio Show - Dec 14th 11 Host Ben McLeish - The Zeitgeist Movement
Mailing List: http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/ TZM Global Radio Show - Dec 14th 11 Host Ben McLeish - The Zeitgeist Movement Dec 14th 2011 at 4pm EDT. Subject: Part 2 in the Zeitgeist Christmas Lectures: Art in a Resource Based Economy. About : Started in 2009, TZM Global Radio is a weekly radio show presented by various active coordinators of The Zeitgeist Movement in a rotational fashion. Free Show Archives: http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/radio_showsCategory: Nonprofit
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BenMcLeish on 2012-01-10
Everything you said ...
Everything you said is fine - but you missed the point of my question. How do you get people to CARE about a move? In some cases, people need to see the human element of such a system, not endless facts about farming, politics etc. Sometimes (not always) people need to be offered a thought exercise in a very different vein. Perhaps then they're driven into looking at the whole model because they came in on an art-based angle.
mrjonno on 2012-01-09
Ben. I'm happy to ...
Ben. I'm happy to provide further ideas for provoking a "shift". I'm sorry that you haven't replied nor wanted any further expansion on the topics that I have suggested. Predictions of subjectivity within a world not occupied with competition or where the next meal will come from is vague at most. I hope art will be something humans do and not via technology as the co-originator. Humanity will be lost otherwise in my opinion but survival is of foremost concern.
mrjonno on 2012-01-06
And more... Bucky ...
And more... Bucky as a source for JF and originator as the fundamental construct of TZM and RBE requires at least some discourse in a video or audio format so the general dumbed down approach to translation in simplification and transmission in new formats does not dilute the original message. Politics and democracy is our problem. We need to become engaged to to get to the RBE. People do not have the power - except for their destruction. People have power to understand.
mrjonno on 2012-01-06
And some more... ...
And some more... Climate change seems to be off limits as far as TZM is concerned, not sure why. We acknowledge science - CG is happening and another reason to engage with natural rather than fossil fuels power. Education and experience - a requirement of every citizen of the world. I'm reminded today that town twinning is seen as defunct on BBC. It's more important than ever. Aspirations need to be global rather than local and even further... (not heaven or hell!)
mrjonno on 2012-01-06
Some more... The ...
Some more... The benefits of an RBE for a person with today's values - secure future, common purpose, expansion of the self, freedom of guilt.. many more. The transistion the painless way - After acknowledgement that the RBE is the goal (the tricky part especially given the lack of TZM coherence) by societies at large (achieved by a coherent TZM with focus), rational methodolgy employed within a limited monetary system building green power and agriculture precluding full RBE.
mrjonno on 2012-01-05
Some further ...
Some further initiatives... The scourges of religion and nationalism in respect to common heritance and causality of fundamental issues impeding the the posperity and spiritual wellbeing of humanity. Critical thinking and the scientific method - the latter is so misunderstood globally and even within TZM. Wikipedia is not the scientific method in itself as I have often come across. A need for a new philosophy - RBE driven. Hawking agrees philosophy is dead. Science...
mrjonno on 2012-01-05
If we actually get ...
If we actually get to the RBE the fact that art will continue be an important aspect of expression is likely what it will be though is speculative. I think many people do care about their social model, there's a great deal of disatisfaction albeit grumbling and moaning without any real answers and an expectation that some tweaking of the monetary system will fix things. Educate instead of support Occupy would be a good initiative. Removal of anarchy within the TZM too...
BenMcLeish on 2012-01-05
Lawrence Lessig - " ...
Lawrence Lessig - "The Internet's coming silent spring"
BenMcLeish on 2012-01-05
Let me ask you then ...
Let me ask you then - how do you get people to want a shift? You'll have to cover all bases, not just hammer economics forever. Look out the window, MOST people don't care about their social model yet. Also re "wishful thinking" - all of the tech I discussed already exist and are waiting for Mass adoption - no predictions there. Aviary for tracking derivative works, for example, and 3d printing is now being adopted by many. The shift in what is artistically accepted is to be expected too.
mrjonno on 2012-01-02
Thanks for your ...
Thanks for your response Ben. Predicting the future is always going to be problematic. Generally I like what you do for TZM, you seem to have a good grasp of the issues and how the RBE is the most realistic proposition for ours and our planet's future prosperity. I was disappointed by something that at worst and best is wishful thinking. We have to get there first and if we do much of what our current society and bankrupt philosophy is will no longer be popular art. So?
paronsoda on 2011-12-28
Does anyone know ...
Does anyone know who speaks in the beginning about Disney and the Grimm brothers?
DrQandtheGang on 2011-12-25
movies like ...
movies like Poltergeist are remade. The same story of Poltergeist is the same as just released, Insidious, or, "Day and Knight", with Tom Cruise is just a refurbished "Bird on a Wire" with Mel Gibson, a script not written by an artist, staff writers of the studios who know the adventure genre spit this shit out, put together package deals to secure funding, this is not art. Where money dictates what art is made, I might consider that another type of censorship.
DrQandtheGang on 2011-12-24
lawyer free zone... ...
lawyer free zone.........I was just chatting with a friend about this, because through history and with varied cultures, law is like slang; you hear it, then use it and soon it becomes an official part of vocabulary after a critical mass accepts it ... Law is transformed over time and through human development, with our own evolution as does art and what is popular. The flood of art is usually a sign that laws are too oppressive. People can't help but try and communicate. ? thx Ben. LOVE YOU
norvman on 2011-12-24
Having been a ...
Having been a Traditonal Artist for many years I have enjoyed the learning experience of moving to the digital media... and the all the 'new' ways of doing stuff... Art is all about the tools.. any one who doesn't want to learn the tool... really isn't an artist... they are only 'playing' at it and that's all...
BenMcLeish on 2011-12-23
@mrjonno @mrjonno ...
@mrjonno @mrjonno The premise of an RBE has been discussed by myself and others to a great length. The goal here was to add more expression to the cultural side of things, which was lacking in our prior coverage. Obviously one does not start with this talk first. But without enough focus on the human and humane side of culture, people can feel alienated. I expressed this directly at the beginning of What is Corruption too. It was also born of several people asking me "What about art". So...
mrjonno on 2011-12-23
Clearly you have ...
Clearly you have not even understood that I support the RBE. This talk is about art in an RBE. I commented on this talk as such. For a start it would be useful if critical thinking was actually applied to the original premise and not some misunderstood tangent...
hi2u121221 on 2011-12-23
And again as asked ...
And again as asked before: Do you have any other solution(s) that updates the socio-economic model to a level at were humanity and our progress is today? It's easier to be a critic, then come up with critical thinking.
hi2u121221 on 2011-12-23
I doubt it... Any ...
I doubt it... Any social change requires a lot of riscs, you never know what will come out of it.
hi2u121221 on 2011-12-23
How could any other ...
How could any other system in the past keep the original premise, when no real tests could be done? I think you try to put forth your own opinions here without any premise at all. Do you think that you have a solution for people living in scarcity (when this can be avoided) etc? Do you have a sustainable solution yourself? I'd like to hear about it :)
mrjonno on 2011-12-23
An organistation ...
An organistation has agreement for what it represents in membership - TZM-"a Sustainability Advocacy Organization" TVP- alternative vision for a sustainable new world civilization unlike any socio-economic system that has gone before. Occupy - We are the 99% - Together we find strength - commonality within our diversity - we stand together- we will advance together - we will occupy togetther. None of this relates to the original premise..
mrjonno on 2011-12-23
I'm fully aware - ...
I'm fully aware - I'm in at the start. Go read the comment again.........
mrjonno on 2011-12-23
So... You have no ...
So... You have no solution
Nomels on 2011-12-22
Police as well as ...
Police as well as public causing violence sometimes are actors. search in youtube PFi0e-HFGOc
hi2u121221 on 2011-12-22
Why hope when you ...
Why hope when you can think, back in history any important revolution was considered outrageous, utopian, blasphemous (tlgo). Revolutions will happen one way or another when there seems to be a need for a change, OWS, TZM and other movements are signs of a coming revolution and creative thinking by people that wants to better themselves and humanity. Not let our current system destroy us.