Anarchism vs Venus Project
Rant caused by the watching of the film Zeitgeist: Moving Forward I believe use defines ownership a good read http://anarchistnews.org/?q=node/9161eCategory: Education
Author: themetalhead667
Published (on YouTube): 2011-02-18
Published (here): 2012-05-28
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Comments on «Anarchism vs Venus Project»:
golemkonty on 2012-04-23
if you like... I ...
if you like... I cant think of other more mad idea than capitalism and free market, so obviously we have different opinions! everyone has a right of his own opinion... I got my conclusions after years of research, but I am living every day with the idea that I may be wrong, so I will continue my research. And Im not exactly a TVP follower, I did not made my final decision yet, for now im only a truthseeker! Maybe tomorrow I will change my mind... peace!
rumco on 2012-04-23
Thanks for your ...
Thanks for your comment. Will use it as an exmple of a Zeitgeist/VP follower's lunacy.
golemkonty on 2012-04-22
if you have ...
if you have property you will have agression, if you have market, you will have inequality and million people dying, plus, actually, we dont own anything, the earth owns everything, including us... in RBE we, the people decide and write the code for the computer and there is no reason for anyone to control us cause everything is free aviable, so everyone would prefer to live their lives instead of trying to control others... so its something like global technical anarchy
AtheistAnarchoRudi on 2012-03-29
i believe in the ...
i believe in the non coercion theory. whatever resources we voluntarily get from the universe should be added to our global share portfolio for access abundance in regard to wants. there is no such thing as theft/property because abundance eliminates people stealing. people are allowed to hoard whatever they want. they will just eventually realize its much easier to not worry about owning things.
themetalhead667 on 2012-03-29
do believe that all ...
do believe that all of the resources of one group should be centralized and controlled by this computer
AtheistAnarchoRudi on 2012-03-28
it doesnt matter ...
it doesnt matter who programs the computer it matters how the computer is programmed. it will be open source and therefore controlled by no one yet everyone.
themetalhead667 on 2012-03-27
and who programs ...
and who programs the computer?
AtheistAnarchoRudi on 2012-03-27
there are no ...
there are no politics in the venus project only science. Liberty is decentralized to the individual, the centralization is not done by a person, but by a computer, it is a glorified calculator that ensures abundance. We rely on technology all the time, when we walk outside we assume our pants will not fall off. We rely on elevators, refrigerators, or anything else. this is just applying the scientific method to economics. thecomputer is open source double check able and run by science not humans
themetalhead667 on 2012-03-27
why on earth would ...
why on earth would an anarchist ever in million years believe that total political centralization of everyone on earth would solve anything
AtheistAnarchoRudi on 2012-03-26
zeitgeist elite? ...
zeitgeist elite? what? there are better communicators for the philosophy, but there are no leaders, yet everyone is a leader.
AtheistAnarchoRudi on 2012-03-26
this is grossly ...
this is grossly ignorant and inaccurate. The zeitgeist movement and the venus project is a form of anarchism. It is based on NO GOVERNMNENT and POST SCARCITY economics. Unlike OTHER forms of anarchism, we advocate no MANDATORY work because we have the technology and resources to get post scarcity. we are one of the few anarchist groups that advocates a TRULY voluntary economy with NO coercion. so think before criticizing your own philosophy(if you TRULY are an anarchist)
whothefoxcares on 2012-03-13
Geez, quit swearin ...
Geez, quit swearin' potty mouth. God hates whiners.
whothefoxcares on 2012-03-13
quit swearin' potty ...
quit swearin' potty mouth
themetalhead667 on 2011-09-24
um so your saying ...
um so your saying that the elite of zeitgeist (the few) will make better decisions for you (and all of humanity at the same time) than a society of you choosing things for yourself
chAlfred76 on 2011-09-24
I don't know if I ...
I don't know if I would like the publisher to have "input" in a democracy. I think he made TZM's point. Followers of ultademocracy, i.e. anarchists, actually supports the dictatorship of retards.
Watchdawg on 2011-09-23
I am not actively ...
I am not actively proposing an RBE society because I don't know a lot of details about it, because there are none apparently. So don't treat me like I'm on any side.
Watchdawg on 2011-09-23
There is no state ...
There is no state consisting of humans. Whatever you add to that is your own interpretation of how it would be. There is no exchange because all the resources is controlled by one entity. There are no laws in an RBE society. I know that anarchists wants to revoke the government and make direct decisions. I haven't read a book in anarchism just like you haven't read a book about an RBE system.
warpenguin6 on 2011-09-23
VP and TZM are two ...
VP and TZM are two different things, do your research! have you can't keep posting false information you fuck tard...
warpenguin6 on 2011-09-23
Right then so you ...
Right then so you don't know TZM on how technology helps to run our lives and not to "run" our lives. please look into it more and you don't understand their points. I'm an anarchist btw so don't think that I'm bios.
rumco on 2011-09-23
You are a muppet, I ...
You are a muppet, I must say. How can there be no exchange? How can one possible have an economy without exchange? Wants/needs "argument" is nonsense as well. Of course, everyone has different needs and wants. Regardless of what influences them. You're saying that wanting A is bad because X is influenced by Y and Z to demand it. Lastly, you say there will be a single central authority that will own everything, and then you say there is no State. You've got no idea what anarchy means.
Knowthypsych on 2011-09-23
Nice video. You ...
Nice video. You made an excellent point on the unseen tyranny that VP likes to implement. Things should come from the bottom to the top. Agreed!
Watchdawg on 2011-09-23
We arn't talking ...
We arn't talking about a barter system, we're talking about a central system here, none will exchange anything cause there is one system controlling all the world's resources. Wants is based on the culture, needs are universal. According to Jacque Fresco (founder of the Venus project), people won't crave for a lot of stuff in the future. How can it be suppressed by the state if there is no state?
Watchdawg on 2011-09-23
Yes, but how would ...
Yes, but how would that system create a hierarchy?
themetalhead667 on 2011-09-23
sir the zeitgeist ...
sir the zeitgeist movement actually believes in the old Marxist idea that if the economic system is changed than the human race will be changed so that no argument will work against them they are a cult dude just like religious fundamentalists
themetalhead667 on 2011-09-23
hey thedefinition ...
hey thedefinition of the state is The sphere of supreme civil power within a given polity if the Venus project controls the whole of the earth then they are a global state I presume you meant state when you said government